

               Interview with an Alien



 
     Ida Kannenberg, an elderly lady, lives in 
Hillsboro, Oregon, where she and her husband own 
and operate a successful antique shop.  Although she 
is now nearly [eighty], she continues to travel all 
over the world searching out and buying antiques 
for their shop.  She is highly energetic, well-
educated, and interested in a wide variety of subjects.
     Mrs. Kannenberg's first physical UFO encounter 
took place in 1940, during a night when she was 
out on the desert. At first she was only able to 
remember a blazing red object coming toward her, but 
not what happened afterwards.  The shock was so 
great that for many years she remained confused as 
to what had actually happened to her.  In 1968, she 
began to have telepathic experiences, which were 
initially very frightening.  In 1980, she tried being 
regressed under hypnosis by Dr. Leo Sprinkle.  During 
the sessions conducted by Dr. Sprinkle, she was unable 
to recall what her captors looked like, but did remember 
that technological implants had been made, including 
audio-visual implants. The UFO entities can see through 
her eyes and hear through her ears.  She is aware of 
the continuous presence of what she calls her "live-in 
companion," who answers to the name of Hweig.
     Mrs. Kannenberg realizes that Hweig would be 
explained away by conventional scientists in terms 
of split personality or some other form of mental 
abberation.  Although she does not agree with this 
interpretation of her situation, she does not claim to 
have any paranormal abilities because of her contact 
with Hweig.  She does not seek publicity, nor does 
she avoid it.  She writes down dialogues and insights 
she finds to be of particular interest as they occur, 
and has given me permission to quote the following 
descriptions:

     There is the problem that eerything I can see, he can 
also.  Not only Hweig, but his immediate crew.  Since their 
observation is through technological implants, the whole 
scene can be played upon a screen, like our television.  
     Hweig is an enormous tease.  I suppose it does get 
boring always listening in to me 24 hours a day, though 
sometimes he takes a vacation for a week or more and someone 
else monitors.  I try to tease Hweig back. The only problem 
is he always knows what I am thinking as soon as I know it 
myself. Therefore it is very difficult to play any kind of 
joke on him. I managed it just once.
     I was looking for a particular skillet in the pantry 
and talking all the whole, internally of course.  I said, 
"Not that skillet, it is too large, and this one is too 
small, that one is for square eggs, ah, this one is just 
right."
     Back came a quizzical little query "Square eggs? I 
don't think I ever heard about square eggs."
     There are several things I can do to drive Hweig up 
the wall.  If I sneeze or whistle, he will say, "Please warn 
me when you are going to do that.  A sneeze sounds like a 
thunder, and a whistle pierces my eardrums like a dagger."
     This Hweig/Ida or Ida/Hweig collaboration has 
been reached with a great many battles between us, a great 
deal of stomping and yelling on my part, and a great many 
sighs and apologies on his.  Sometimes it is sheer 
aggravation; after all, I am married!  And sometimes it is 
absolutely hilarious.
     In the beginning of our association Hweig terrified 
me with his explanations of who and what he was, and 
what he intended to do.  I was afraid that my mind was going 
to be taken over by an alien personality. However, aftermore 
than four years of this constant telepathic contact, 
I feel very much myself.  Even more so, for I know myself 
so much better.  I have had to face up to myself.
     To me one of the big questions has always been: why 
is Hweig a CONSTANT companion?  Is he a monitor only?  Why 
do the Ufolk care what I say and do every minute?  I'm not 
anyone.  Why is my daily routine of such importance to 
them?  Why did Hweig so entrench himself in my mind 
and life that I cannot dislodge him no matter what I say or 
do?  I have begged, pleaded, wept, screamed...but he is 
still with me. 
     Hweig has put me through some very painful processes, 
but he declares they were necessary in order that he 
learn the levels of my tolerance and modes of reaction, so 
that the best possible use might be made of my peculiar 
talents and abilities.  Certain limitations had to be 
overcome, or at least ameliorated.  And when I cuss him out 
from time to time, I am only letting him know the limits of 
my compliance. 
     With mechanical devices that permit mind invasion 
and control, an alien civilization could conduct any kind of 
surveillance, and there would be no defense against it.  The 
aliens can do this now.  How long before Earth science can 
do the same?  Or can they do it now?  Can the aliens be 
Earthlians? 
     I am not trying to "scare talk."  I am trying to relate 
what has been done to me by persons who seem compassionate 
and responsible.  Can this be done in the near future by 
others who may be neither compassionate nor responsible, who 
could be utterly reprehensible?  Is it time to study what
this type of mind control is all about, beginning with 
those contactees who have experienced it.
     Hweig told me that he and his colleagues are trying to 
prevent mind control from becoming established here on Earth.  
Is it because this type of invasion is fast becoming possible 
from other sources perhaps right here on Earth?  Would mind 
invasion by terrestrial governments or organizations be 
carried out wtih the same ethical and moral responsibility 
and codes of dignity that the UFO mind invasion has 
demonstrated in my case?
     I have questioned Hweig about his ability to prophesy.  
He said, "By probabilities only.  I am NOT, I repeat, 
NOT super-human.  I can do only what you could do, if you 
had an equal reservoir of information to draw from.  We 
prophesy only by balancing potentials, by probabilities.  
Even so, we can be rong.  Some things are not wholly 
predictable."
     So many times I have been asked, "Why don't they give 
you something useful, like a cure for cancer?"  Hweig 
answers this, "What would you do, Ida, with such 
information?  If I told you how to build and fly a UFO, 
what could you do with that information?  Would anyone 
listen to you on that subject?  Do you have the capital 
and knowledge to do the job yourself?  I give you the 
information you can use.  Those who can receive 
technological or scientific help ARE RECEIVING IT, 
though they may not have a live-in companion as you do.  
They receive in the manner in which they are able, and the 
information they are able to use."
     I asked Hweig, "Why is there this influx of 
extraordinary help at this particular time?  Why now?"  
Hweig's answer: "At this time mankind stands in dead 
center of the crossroads of human endeavor.  I do not mean 
anything so simplistic as a single crossroads, but a 
convergence of many roads, each seductive in itself.  A 
compromise must be made and maintained if the current 
world civilizations are to endure.  The compromise must 
react onto many levels of human activity.  World 
government leaders are struggling to find compromises on 
a political level, but the every day people of the world
must find hteir own ways of compromise on an individual 
level, such as levels of personal beliefs, as well as 
many other kinds.  The metaphysical cores, not the 
histories, of all religions should be studied, and the
psychological needs that shaped these beliefs.  Only 
on that level can compromise be found, and until it is 
the fires of war will continue to brutalize the human 
race."
     That was the only commitment Hweig would make 
concerning religion. "We are not here to tamper with your 
beliefs," he said.  "Only to urge a compromise and 
understanding among them all, to find a set of humanistic
values that all can tolerate and refer to."
     Often he has warned me:  "Do not allow any 
information we give you to become the basis for a cult 
or a religion.  No cults!  No religions!"
     I asked Hweig, "Why has all this come into focus 
right at this time?" "For the first time in the course 
of this round of civilization, world-wide communication 
has brought all the differences of belief and activities 
into a coherent area of observation.  Patiently, many 
individual researchers in many lines have been digging 
into their respective studies.  With the advent of computer 
technology, all of those seperate researches can now be 
brought under one roof, so to speak.  They can be analyzed 
and studied on a comparative basis.  Religion, for example, 
must be compared to methematics.  Does that sound silly?  
It is salvation!  Archaeology must be studied in
relation to electro-magnetic waves.  Only with computers 
can such comparitive studies be  adequately carried out.  
And they will be.  This is the direction in which you and 
all contactees are being guided: toward the sharing and 
comparing of information, which can then become a common
basis for understanding."
     Another direct question, "Am I being mind-controlled?"
     Hweig's answer: "Only to the extent necessary to impel 
you toward those studies and activities that will further 
our purpose, to have you gain information to share and 
compare with others.  This in turn will further your own 
purpose, to contribute to the health and continuance of your 
own civilization."
     I ask, "Who gives you the right to thus invade my 
privacy, my mind?"
     "You do," he said, "by the fervor of your desire to 
help your own people.  You asked to be guided to a way to 
be of use, of help.  This is the response to your own 
request.  You put it into words, and we answered.  How 
else do you expect it could happen?"
     I assume he is telling me that no one is going to 
perform a miracle for us.  If we want to save or help our 
civilization, we are going to have to bestir ourselves to 
the task.  We will have guidance, and information will be 
brought to our attention.  The action--or inaction--is ours 
alone.
     The first necessary action is data analysis and 
comparison.  The compiling is already done.  Eery 
contactee is a gold mine of resource material.  We must 
learn how to extract and use it.
     We outline these needs by asking, Who, Where, How, 
and Why.
     First, Who?  That would be trained workers, 
scientists, students competent to obtain and utilize 
information.
     Second, Where?  In a research center with adequate 
facilities.
     Third, What?  To study contactees who are willing to 
divulge their information, and to be studied themselves 
in their interaction with the UFO connection.
     Fourth, How?  By devising a data code comprehensive 
enough to cover ALL of the forthcoming material.  This 
can be modified and extended as the work continues.
     Fith, Why?  To define specific plans of action, the 
manner and means of using that material once the information 
is  obtained. 
     Another question I ask Hweigh:  "Why is this 
information given in this peculiar fashion?  Why all the 
mystery and camouflage?" 
     His answer: "Ufolk and their activities are only one 
fashion in which information is being given.  The Ufolk 
can handle the type that leads to physical research, and 
to psychological research through scientific disciplines.  
Technological, medical and other scientific information and
help is being disseminated by other means."
     I know that all over the world, there are others who 
are experiencing the same phenomenon as I: a constant 
telepathic contact with other entities, all of whom claim 
to be of the UFO fraternity.  Although they may introduce
themselves as several varieties of beings, they are all 
UFO-connected.
     It is my belief we are the vanguard of an experiment 
that will in the future be expanded to hundreds and 
thousands more of Earth's inhabitants.
     It is important, therefore, that we begin to compare 
notes ont hese very personal experiences, and try to find 
an answer to that big question:
"Where is all of this leading us?"
     This is a far more profitable question than, "Are 
UFOs going to invade the Earth at some future date?"
     We are already invaded.  The Ufolk are here, in our 
minds in these telepathic contacts.
     While others tell us we are crazy, or fooled by our 
own subconscious, or experiencing a split personality or 
some other aberration, the Ufolks are blithely taking 
advantage of all this time to dig in and establish their
territory in our minds.
     Nero fiddled while Rome burned.  Our people watch TV 
while their minds are wide open to invasion.
     There are tremendously ticklish questions to be 
answered here.  Without profound research, such as a UFO 
Center would provide, these questions cannot be answered.
     While we older folk have been the experimental 
trial-and-error stage of the Ufolk mind invasions, our 
young people will be next.  With their thinking powers 
numbed by constant frenetic entertainments, aided and
abetted for some by alcohol or drugs, their minds could 
become so numbed and bewildered that any type of mind 
invasion, alien or Earthiank would be a cinch.
     Kooks like myself and my live-in companion, Hweig, 
should be the subject of serious scientific investigation.  
Dr. Sprinkle and his allies recognize and wand to do this, 
precisely this.
     There comes a time when one individual and his 
immediate associates cannot provide al lthe capital and 
energy and facilities needed to conduct and complete 
complication and adequate studies.  It takes the financial
backing and cooperation of those willing and able to 
devote their assets, both monetary and intellectual, to 
the task.
     Believe me, our world governments are not without 
some recognition of the problem, but they do not go to the 
source of the information they need: the contactees, and 
the contactee's contactors.
     Now it is necessary to interject a dictation by Hweig:

     Now I, Hweig, will dictate as you, Ida, have no way of 
knowing how to interperate these events and scenarios.
     First, we must emphasize the necessity to read the 
following in its entirety, as we can give the total story only 
bit by bit, and later bits will clarify earlier bits that might 
discourage the reader if he be not forewarned.  Therefore 
please be patient, ride all the way through with us, then 
judge according to your own understanding.
     About 80% of all UFO abductions and personal 
contacts are the result of hypnotically induced illusion 
and hallucination.
     Those who perpetrate this hypnotic state and its 
seeming events are unseen but present within the room,  
car, or otherwise near the contactee. This unseen 
presence is often felt by sensitive persons and all our
contacteees are MOST SENSITIVE==as a pressure in 
the atmosphere immediately surrounding them.  The 
presence is projected by technological means much
beyond the powers of your own people at present.  This 
indicates the presences are those alien to yourself, and 
not of your normal every-day earth person no matter how 
advanced in any science, technology, or psychic ability 
an earth person might be.  The alien presence has powers 
far beyond anything you might dream of.
     It is necessary for the alien presence to be in close 
proximity to the contactee.  By close we mean VERY CLOSE, 
almost within touching distance. 
     This presence, being almost pure energy, need not be 
in any one particular form, but can attain any form or 
abstraction desired.  Black and white pinwheels, balls of light, 
fireflies, revolving disks, any form may be utilized to come 
momentarily into the vision of the contactee.  We call this 
semi-corporeal form or semi-physical state.  Or the presence 
can remain totally unseen, in the state that is similar to your 
out-of-body experience though the eseence of that presence 
is of a more powerful energy than the essence of your 
out-of-body state.  However, this is the closest analogy 
we can find to describe this energy state.
     It would frighten you spitless, as you say, Ida, to know 
how many times you have been surrouoonded by alien 
presences.  The knowledge of their extent of control over you 
would further alarm.  This goes for all contactees of similar 
events.
     For this reason, the potential alarm, we conceal the facts 
just given and instead perpetrate an illusion of physical aliens 
who seemingly come into the contactee's presence, or bring 
the contactee into theirs, knowing you can accept and interact 
with physical beings in a less frightened and more objective 
manner.  Yet we wish to get across the idea of VERY ALIEN
personalities therefore we do not offer the visualization of your 
own kind of form, even though many of us are precisely your 
kind of form. 
     To feel you were being contacted, and perhaps 
controlled, by unseen forces would throw you into a panic, 
perhaps beyond acceptance.  But to deal fact to face with 
physical beings, no matter how alien, would eliminate
some of that panic.  At least that is our proposition and 
this is why these illusory beings appear.
     Not all contactees or abductees face illusory 
personages.  A very few are quite physical and qqquite 
"real" as you term realness.
     The illusory beings are the semi-corporeal selves of 
very real physical beings, who are at that moment existing 
in another area of being, and are quite busy doing 
something else physically, but are aware of what is 
happening in and to their semi-corporeal self.
     This is certainly confusing.  Let us recapitulate.
     The unseen presences are there through technological 
means. They induce hypnotic illusion of abstract forms or 
hypnotically project the semi-corporeal forms.  These latter 
are projections of real beings who are somewhere else 
physically at the time.  They use projection "copies" 
because some time in the future these phsyical 
originals may find it necessary to interact with the 
contactees in a wholly physical manner.  It would 
then seem to be an on-going experience.
     Let us reiterate for clearness:
     A corporeal flesh-and-blood person so projects 
himself in an unseen state through technological means 
that he enters into close presence of a contactee or 
abductee, anddd is then able through his own psychic 
power to gain hypnotic control over that contactee when 
said contactee is in a relaxed state.  If the personage 
were present in semi-corporeal or corporeal state, he 
could control the situation equally well.
     The contactee, being already in a relaxed state, is 
readily accessible to the hypnotic form of control.
     What transpires thereafter is all illusory or 
hallucinatory, unless there is a need for physical 
interaction.  I such a case the contactee can be 
cobnducted aboard a physical craft where the physical 
interaction occurs. 
     By physical interaction we do NOT include 
examinations per se, as these may be of either 
category, physical or illusory. 
     Why nshould it be necessary to go through so much 
physical effort when illusion will server the purpose 
of the Planners just as well?  The psychological reaction 
of the contactee and the mental and the emotional 
results of his scenario, both to himselfl and to his 
audience, are what it is all about.  If the same results 
can be obtained through hypnotically induced illusions 
as through physical action, then the illusion is chosen.
     We are saying thiings backwards and forewards and 
inside out so that, hopefully, no ambiguity remains.
     The presence in the room or car or wherever with 
the contactee can be felt as an oppression, a 
"thickness in the air," as one contactee described it.  
The contactee begins to breathe in a more shallow 
manner and too feel closed in, or caged, or captured 
or unable to move. 
     The presence is the energy essence of a real 
corporeal being whoo through technological devices 
sends his energy self, in a state relative to the 
out-of-body state, to this place.  Since he is not a 
psychic master, he is not able to send his energy 
essence through his own psychic power, but must 
depend on technological devices.
     The energy essence encloses the WILL of the 
presence who is elsewhere physically but is linked 
through mind stuff to his energy essence and will.
     And that human being is so restricted by moral 
and spiritual law he cannot, dare not, serve as an 
evil power.  He carries out instructions received from 
higher natures, and by higher we mean more 
knowledgeable, more powerful and more responsible.  
He is further instructed to use the most compassionate 
modes of interacting he can devise.
     Non-understading, haste, error of judgment 
misreading of contactee's reactions, as well as many 
other factors, can impose a task on the controller that 
he may be less than perfectly equipped to handle.
Remember he is only another human trying to do a very 
difficult job.  He is working with persons as alien to 
himself as he is to them.
     The presence of the controller is never seen by the 
contactee unless it is necessary to attract his attention, 
or to rivet his mind onto a single point.  At such a time 
abstract designs or eevasive objects, usually circular, 
are used.  Other times the unseen presence can be felt 
or sense by the most sensitive to such emanations of 
energy.
     The condition and reaction of the contactee decides 
whether or not the presence is to be seen in any form 
or to remain unseen.          
     Many contactees have mentioned the "feel of an 
evil presence."  The presence is NOT EVIL, but is part 
of the UNKNOWN and does take CONTROL for a few 
moments, and from the arising fear and apprehension 
the contactee interprets "evil."
     The contactee response to the sense of being 
controller is entirely according to his own nature and 
character.  One resists and tries to struggle, one weeps 
or screams, one jeers, or even ggiggles.  In the
response, its kind andn degree, the controller reads 
information it is necessary for him to know in order to 
continue into the futuure.  The preliminary or initial 
scene is thus aan act of getting acquanted, each
measuring the other's potentials.  Furthermorer, the 
controller is just as much "on the spot" as they 
contactee, for he too is undergoing a training
session, and is being weighed and measured by his 
instructors.
     From his own psychic and trained abilities the 
controller then conjures up the appearance of apparent 
personalities who seemingly take charge of the scene.  
These are appearances of substance, but not true
corporeality.  We refer to them as semi-corporeal. 
They are projections of corporeal persrons who are to 
be physically met in the continued scenario of the 
contactee.
     If footsteps sound, temperatures changee, and there 
are NO SUDDEN TRANSITIONS in the scene, the event 
is entirely physical.  If so, there are noises, odoors, the 
sense of touch as well as vision.  Touch does not mean 
pain, pain is psychologically induced by the contacteee 
through fear.
     There can be a shifting of states, a moving in and out 
of states during the course of a single event, so a single 
event can be a very complicated affair.  Each would have 
to be minutely inspected and analyzed to realize these 
changes.  At this moment such a scrutiny is not important 
and would only obfuscate this recital.
     Thus we see MIND TRAVEL as well as OUT OF BODY 
TRAVEL can be induced from outside the contactees.
     It is within this framework that the building blocks 
of the individual myth are found.  When we realize the 
changeable conditions of the contactee/abductee event, we 
can begin to understand why the scenario itself is so very 
difficult to grasp as reality.  But in comprehending these 
varying and shifting states, the interpretation of the 
building blocks becomes much easier.
     By symbolic event we do not mean symbols such as 
a cross indicates a good guy and an X a bad guy.  
We mean the contactee is put through an event that is NOT 
TRUE in its content, but its psychological effect symbolizes 
one or more of the following ideas.  These events and the 
ideas they symbolize are the building blocks of the structure.  
Depending upon the cultural experience of the contactee,
the following ideas are presented in various manners:

I.   Ideas presented in the Scenario of Recognition:
     1. of civilizations existing on other planets.
     2. of civilizations existing of fantasic technological
         achievements
     3. of civilizations existing of tremendous scientific
         knowledge
     4. of civilizations existing with people of various
         natures who have knowledge of all kinds, 
         medical, artistic, cultural, etc.
II.  Ideas presented in the Scenario of Biological 
     Intervention:
     1. of cross-breeding with alien races
     2. of giving of ovum or sperm for breeding 
         experiments
     3. of implantations of sperm or fertile ova
     4. of taking cells for examination, 
         experimentation or for cloning
III. Ideas presented in the Scario of Initiation:
     1. of an unseen secret organization of good will and
     2. of inspirational aids to solve problems and 
        difficulties
     3. of secrets of the past to be found anew
     4. of promotion of societal contacts leading to
        cooperative efforts
     5. of monument of good endeavors recorded in lost
        places
     6. of destruction of powerful deterents to human/
        earth collaboration
IV.  Ideas presented in the Scenario of Self-Development
     and Self-Awareness:
     1. of offering new personal insights
     2. of strenghtening stabilizing beliefs
     3. of offering new projects
     4. of analyzing life-evaluations
     5. of value of self-freedom
     6. of support of person's intentions/ambitions

     There are many other scenarios and parts thereof, and
those can each or all merge one into another.  In order to
analyze them at all, we have to dissect the living form.
     We come to rejuvenate the earth, and to aid in the 
evolutionary development of man.

     
    
                       THE END
