The following chart integrates a comparison of per capita homicide
and robbery rates of various American cities, divided between
those with restrictive guns laws/enforcement and lenient gun laws/enforcement.
Cities: Restrictive Gun Laws/Enforcement
Rates per 100,000 (1990)
Homicide Robbery
Newark, NJ 41 2188
population: 275,221
(1990 census)
Detroit, MI 57 1266
population: 1,027,974
(metropolitan area: 4,382,297)
(1990 census)
New York City, NY 31 1370
population: 7,322,564
(1990 census)
Baltimore, MD 41 1288
population: 736,014
(metropolitan area: 2,382,172)
(1990 census)
Chicago, IL 31 1335
population: 2,783,726
(1990 census)
Washington, D.C. 78 1274
population: 606,900
(metropolitan area, 3,923,574)
(1990 census
Boston, MA 25 1049
population: 574,283
(1990 census)
Cities: Lenient Gun Laws/Enforcement
Rates per 100,000 (1990)
Homicide Robbery
Austin, TX 10 314
population: 465,622
(metropolitan area: 781,572)
(1990 census)
El Paso, TX 7 268
population: 515,342
(1990 census)
Wichita, KS 6 355
population: 304,011
(metropolitan area: 485,270)
(1990 census)
Tucson, AZ 7 223
population: 405,390
(metropolitan area: 666,880)
(1990 census)
Corpus Christi, TX 11 173
population: 257,453
(1990 census
Omaha, NE 3 180
population: 335,795
(metropolitan area: 618,262)
(1990 census)
Colorado Springs, CO 3 92
population: 281,140
(metropolitan area: 397,014)
(1990 census)
Sat Jan 23, 1993 at 17:34 EST:
Bob:
Ah, yes. Transfer the liability for the criminal misuse of firearms
to the manufacturer. This means that the manufacturer of a device
is liable when that device, which has no defects, is intentionally
misused by a consumer.
Would you like to see this as a precedent for transferring liabilities
on other devices to the manufacturer, when they are misused? Let's
say, make swimming pool manufacturers responsible when people
drown in their pools. Let's make Ma Bell responsible when people
make harassing phone calls. Let's make Ford responsible when a
bank robber's getaway car runs over a pedestrian.
What's that, Bob? You say that you don't work for the Trial
Lawyers Association?
Bob, let's talk for a moment about the public opinion polls
which show that Americans want more gun controls. What is it that
public opinion polls measure? Public opinions! And
what are public opinions based on? What the public knows, or think
they know. Where do they get these "facts"? Largely,
from evaluating what they see on television, hear on radio, and
occasionally what they read in newspapers and magazines. And what
do we see on TV, hear on radio, and read in mass-market
magazines? We see the same illogical arguments about blaming inanimate
objects for what criminals and morons do with them, as we have
been seeing in this discussion topic.
When writers like me break through into the media, pointing out
that guns are frequently used by the good guys to stop the bad
guys, we see public opinion changing.
When there are riots in Los Angeles and people see armed homeowners
setting up barricades to keep out carloads of armed rioters, people
change their minds, and in a matter of a couple of weeks, the
Los Angeles Times pollsters register a 9% increase
in the number of non-gun-owners who decide to become gun owners.
Bob, you ask me for a case where a country with an armed citizenry
has had to fight off tyranny. That's like asking me to find
a country which regularly uses pesticides where pesticides have
fought off locusts. If you have the pesticides, you don't have
locusts. If you have an armed citizenry, tyranny is inhibited
at the git go. In World War II, which citizenry was better armed:
Switzerland or France? And which one was invaded
and occupied by Nazi Germany?
Okay, Bob. Let's say I agree with you. Criminals go into areas
with little gun control and buy guns, which they then use in areas
with more restrictive gun control. Does that tell us anything?
You bet. It tells us that criminals like to take their guns into
areas where they know they have easier pickings: a disarmed public
to prey upon. They damn well don't want to stick around the areas
where they bought their guns - too many of the good guys might
have guns and shoot back. Have you just made my case for me, or
what?
Bob, your history of the 2nd amendment is flawed. The entire
issue of keeping and bearing arms was written into the Constitution
precisely because the British governor of Boston, General Gage,
had required the colonists to keep their arms at an armory - then
the colonists couldn't get them back when they needed them to
fight off the British. The attempts by Gage to send troops
to collect the arms of British subjects at Lexington and Concord
wasn't forgotten, either.
The right to keep and bear arms means: keeping arms where
you can get them when you need them, and carrying them
where you need them, without having to get permission from others.
Neil
Sun Jan 24, 1993 at 11:37 EST:
Bob:
I disagree with the justice of transferring liability to manufacturers
whose products are not defective, regardless of whether the product
is crop-dusting equipment, firearms, or chemicals. Life can't
be made risk-free; to the best of my knowledge, we all die sooner
or later anyway, and just because bad things happen doesn't mean
that someone else is at fault and lawyers need to write bad laws
to find a scapegoat for everything that goes wrong in life.
Seriously, are you so intent on crippling firearms manufacture
that you are really want to saddle this country with such an extreme
precedent of liability?
Look, Bob. First you complain that gun control doesn't work because
it isn't everywhere. Then you try to claim the success of gun
control in some places. Well, which is it? Either gun control
works at reducing the supply of guns or it doesn't. Either gun
control can keep guns out of the hands of criminals, or the rest
of us need to be armed to fight back. Make up your mind.
Finally, on rights. Are you maintaining that we have them or that
we don't? If you're saying that rights are merely political agreements,
then I assume you see nothing wrong with slavery, so long as it
was constitutional? If you think otherwise,
I'd like to know on what basis, if it isn't that rights precede
politics.
As for chimps and whales - when they ask me to recognize their
rights, I'll take it seriously.
Neil
Mon Jan 25, 1993 at 01:40 EST:
Bob,
As I said in a previous message, guns and gun control aren't ultimately
the issue we're debating. As we can see from following the threads,
the issues are all sorts of other things: conceptions of rights
versus governmental restrictions; differences about risks and
liabilities; basic differences in political philosophy.
There is room for disagreement about individual risk assessment
versus the dangers to others.
When reasonable people can disagree, who decides? Do we sue each
other in court and let judges decide? Do we let legislators come
up with a decision that is binding on both those who agree and
those who don't? Or do we let individuals decide for themselves?
The same problem that we are discussing here arises in the social
conflict between those who believe abortion is murder and
those who believe it's no one's business but a woman's to decide
whether or not to have one.
The bottom line is: my position on private ownership and carrying
of firearms is akin to the pro-choicers who believe the moral
choice should be made by the individual, and you - like the anti-abortion
groups - believe that laws should be passed which impose their
moral judgments on everyone.
You see, even if the anti-abortion group has a morally superior
argument - and remember, this is a hypothetical "even if"
- so long as there is a large sector of society who believes differently,
it is politically impractical to impose their view on the whole
of society.
The same is true of firearms. Even if you were right - and
remember, this is a hypothetical "even if" - so long
as millions of Americans believe they have the right to own and
carry firearms, it is politically impractical to impose your
view on the whole of society.
You can't escape the fact that there are two hundred million privately
owned firearms in this country, in around sixty million households.
Even if regulations are passed restricting ownership of "assault
weapons," the failures of such laws in California and New
Jersey to cause more than a small minority of owners to register
their guns shows the distrust and indifference gun owners have
for such laws.
And given the failures in prohibiting popularly desired commodities
- everything from liquor to pornography - there is no historical
basis for anyone to take seriously the idea that gun restrictions
of the sort you propose would have any significant effect
at reducing the firearms available to the irresponsible,
the psychologically unstable, and the criminal.
What your proposals and those of Handgun
Control, Inc., do accomplish however - what the constant attacks
on gun owners and the 3 million member NRA by establishment
media and institutions accomplishes - is to convince us that we
are being devalued and trivialized by people who think they have
the standing and the power to decide what's best for us, even
though we think they're dead wrong. And under such circumstances,
we will fight tooth and nail against even the most moderate
and otherwise reasonable restrictions on firearms availability,
because we believe them to be merely baby steps towards the destruction
of our long-established political right to keep and bear arms.
I don't expect you to give up.
But understand why we won't, either.
Neil
Mon Jan 25, 1993 at 23:43 EST:
Bob,
When Florida changed its law six years ago, CBS's
60 Minutes declared that allowing anyone who wanted to
carry a gun to do so would turn Florida into the
"Gunshine State." They've never gone back to look at
what actually happened, nor have they retracted their prediction
of shootouts at every traffic accident.
Out of 101,009 people who have been issued a Florida
license to carry a concealed firearm - and
this includes Miami, a city with a metropolitan area population
of 3,192,582 (1990 census) - only 15 have afterwards committed
a crime with a firearm - and only one of those is a homicide.
That means that 100,994 out of 101,009 have not misused their
firearm since being licensed. It also means
that the rate of criminal misuse is 1 out of 6734.
The homicide rate in Florida is down 20% since 1987.
This is the only reliable measure of crime, since there's a body
to count. All other crime rates - burglary, robbery, rape - are
estimates based on crime reports and surveys; and most criminologists
consider the homicide rate the only one that tells us anything
useful about crime trends.
Meanwhile, the national homicide rate is up 15% during that same
period.
The success of Florida clearly demonstrates that
it is possible to implement a program for honest, decent people
to carry arms, without arming criminals in any statistically significant
number. And, even with such a small a number as 80,891 additional
citizens on the street carrying guns, the deterrent effect on
crime is noticeable.
Neil
Tue Jan 26, 1993 at 02:59 EST:
Bob,
Here's how I see the cases of abortion and gun-control as equivalent.
1) Those who oppose legal abortion think legal abortion fosters
the criminal killing of human beings, and therefore they wish
to outlaw it for everyone, regardless of whether they agree. Those
who oppose legal ownership and carrying of guns think legal guns
foster the criminal killing of human beings, and therefore they
wish to outlaw it for everyone, regardless of whether they agree.
2) Those who favor legal abortion think the question of whether
legal abortion fosters the criminal killing of human beings is
a question that must be answered by individuals for themselves,
rather than the government forcibly imposing the views of those
who think legal abortion fosters the criminal killing of human
beings on those who disagree. Those who favor legal ownership
and carrying of guns think the question of whether legal ownership
and carrying of guns fosters the criminal killing of human beings
is a question that must be answered by individuals for themselves,
rather than the government forcibly imposing the views of those
who think legal ownership and carrying of guns fosters the criminal
killing of human beings on those who disagree.
3) In both the case of abortion rights and gun rights, there are
millions of Americans who think it should be legal. Those who
wish to restrict either abortions or guns wish to impose their
opinions by force of government arms on those who disagree with
them. Further, to the extent they succeed in restricting or prohibiting
an activity which millions of people favor, they foment disrespect
for the law, encourage civil disobedience and political strife,
and destroy the social harmony necessary for a free society.
This said, let me answer your question, for myself only. My response
is not binding on anyone else in the firearms rights movement.
I believe that the quality of life is more important than mere
elimination of risk. We all die sooner or later anyway, so we
stand a 0% chance of avoiding the risks to our lives anyway. To
me, individual liberty and justice are more important than mere
reduction of risk of dying from gunfire.
Now, undoubtedly, you agree. You advocate gun control because
you believe it would improve the quality of life. The difference
is that you are taking a utilitarian view - trying to arrive at
a political solution which benefits "the greatest good
for the greatest number" - where I believe that such decisions
are value judgments that must be made by individuals for themselves,
and that we do not have a free society if uniform value judgments
are imposed on all individuals.
That's why I say it comes down to pro-choice or anti-choice.
Neil
Thu Jan 28, 1993 at 02:56 EST:
Bob,
Bob, you misunderstood what I said. I have no doubt that you,
for one, do not believe that the basic moral question is one of
liberty. Nor do we disagree that most people in this society don't
divide the issues that way, either, which is the reason that there
isn't a pro-liberty party and an anti-liberty party.
Most people are not persuaded that there are any fundamental
principles defining good and bad, just or unjust, workable
or non-workable. I don't know whether you believe in consistency
to a set of principles or what principles you might have
- but you and I both agree that liberty is not their basis.
Now, about the shooting in Tampa, Florida today.
You have been arguing that we need more gun control laws, that
such laws will have an impact on reducing crimes of violence.
Here we have Florida, which makes carrying a gun
without a license a felony. It's already against
the law. The police can arrest you for it. What more do you want?
Police are not supermen, and just because a law is passed doesn't
mean it can always be enforced effectively. I don't know what
magic you expect your elite gun police and elite gun courts can
bring to reducing the criminal use of guns. They'll be just people,
too. On the other hand, elite gun police and elite gun courts
would likely be used to deny guns to people who would use guns
for self-defense.
Obviously, there aren't enough people carrying guns to the office
in Tampa, Florida, so that when a madman with a
gun comes in and starts shooting up the place, there's somebody
ready to shoot back.
However, Florida law allows people to carry guns
for self- protection from crazy people with guns
- and I expect the number of Tampa workers carrying guns to work
for self-defense will be increasing dramatically
in the next few months.
Neil
Sat Jan 30, 1993 at 05:42 EST:
Bob,
The Ten Commandments (the ten "blessings" in original
titling) are not principles - they are orders. One can possibly
derive principles from them - such as that murder of a
fellow countryman is evil - but the principles themselves are
not contained in the text itself.
Not only are principles not just arbitrary orders, they must be
self-consistent. For example, suppose I said, "Even to illustrate
a point, it is never allowable to use the word 'mudgumple.'"
My principle of never using 'mudgumple' to illustrate a point
has been violated by the very sentence which uses it to illustrate
that point. It is self-contradictory - self-refuting - and thus
does not stand up to the test of logic.
Now, when I said, "Most people are not persuaded that there
are any fundamental principles defining good and bad,
just or unjust, workable or non-workable," I suppose, to
be perfectly truthful, I'd have to exclude people who believe
in the Ten Commandments. Their fundamental principle is, "The
Ten Commandments defines right and wrong." If the Ten
Commandments say you shouldn't do something, then their principle
is, "If the Ten Commandments forbids that, then it must be
wrong to do it." They require no further argument, no demonstration
of the truth of that premise.
But there are several prior premises that go deeper even than
that. One of them is, "I don't know what right and wrong
is unless someone else tells me." Another is, "I know
that the Bible is written (or authorized) by God, and God knows
right from wrong, therefore I can believe what the Bible says."
Still another is, "I know that the translation of the Bible
I am reading is accurate to what God wrote (or authorized)."
Still another is, "I know that what God told the Israelite
nation to do four millennia ago applies to me today as well."
You see how a simple thing like taking the Ten Commandments as
final, unquestioned, literal truth bites its own tail? At
any point you can come back with, "Well, how do you know
that?" "How do you know that the Bible was written by
God, rather than men?" "How do you know that the translation
is accurate - are you a scholar in ancient Aramaic and Greek who
has read the originals, or do you rely on the opinions of scholars?
If the latter, why do you trust them?" And finally,
"How do you know that the rules God made for the Israelite
nation weren't specific to those people at that time? How
do you know that God doesn't intend us to live by different standards
or rules?"
Even a person who wants to forego the necessity of thought about
discovering principles of right and wrong finds that it can't
be done without giving the matter some thought. No matter how
much you want to abdicate the responsibility for figuring
out right and wrong for yourself, sooner or later you have to,
if for no other necessity than discovering for yourself which
authority in interpreting the text you are going to believe.
Here, then, is a solid principle we can begin with: "It is
impossible to know rules about right from wrong without learning
the premises on which those rules are based."
Now, let's go to some of your statements about principles.
What I understand you to be saying is: Most people who hold to
moral principles believe in being faithful to them until they
are convinced otherwise. But because moral principles are learned,
such faithfulness to principle is spotty.
If this is what you're saying, then I would tend to agree
with you. But it misses my point. My point is that most people
have never thought it through, don't care to think it through,
and because they have no basic philosophy of their own - no worldview
- to base their actions on, they tend to go with the flow
and do what everybody else around them is doing. In other words,
for most people, "right" is what most other people around
them say is right - even if they don't do it themselves
- or "what Billy Graham, my teacher, Carl Sagan, and Dan
Rather tell me is right." If you want to know what's right,
turn on TV and see what people are saying. Or listen
to a call-in show. Once you know the answers other people give,
you can pick one or two and be done with the question, without
the necessity of difficult thinking.
What I was attempting to do in my question to you was to elicit
your own worldview - the basic premises or principles you are
using to judge principles of government and social order. More
fundamental to that, since many of my messages have expressed
my philosophical worldview - the basic premises I'm arguing from
- I was trying to find out if you have a philosophically
consistent worldview as well. Once I knew that, I could discover
where we part, and focus on the different premises themselves.
That would enable me to attempt criticizing any contradictions
I found in your statements of principles, and possibly, at least
between us, discover a closure on the many issues we've been discussing,
so we don't have to go back over the same tiring arguments again
and again.
In the absence of a worldview to argue against, let me just go
after one principle I can divine from your message. You said that
while you don't believe in "absolute liberty," you do
believe in some "qualified freedoms."
Let's define our terms. By absolute liberty, I mean that
each individual in a society holds the right to take action regarding
the furtherance of his/her goals and value-judgments, limited
only by the borders beyond which such actions deprive others of
the exact same right. Historically, by the way, this is known
as "the law of equal liberty."
Now, this is already a rather big "qualification"
on freedom. It forbids action that deprives others of their freedom
of action, or that deprives anyone of anything which is rightfully
theirs without their consent. We can spend a good deal of time
arguing how such rights can be derived - and what are their natural
limits - but that goes far beyond the scope of the immediate question,
even though what gun-control versus gun rights ultimately is addressing
is the question of where those borders are.
For the sake of this discussion, I just want to emphasize that
I don't believe that just because a group of people get together
in large numbers and become powerful, it gives them greater rights
over individuals or groups who are not as powerful. I believe
that principles of right and wrong are independent of, and prior
to, questions of political decision-making and the implementations
of those decisions by force.
Okay, let's get to some specifics. I asked you, "Here
we have Florida, which makes carrying a gun without
a license a felony. It's already against the law.
The police can arrest you for it. What more do you want?"
To which you replied, "I want it to work! And if it doesn't
work, if criminals still get guns and shoot wives or former supervisors,
then the law should be changed."
Bob, you are making an assumption that I have to challenge as
utopian. You are assuming that no matter what a problem is, legislation
can be drafted that will fix it. Further, you are assuming
that even properly drafted legislation will be able to be enforced
to an extent able to make an effective impact on that problem.
Or, to boil this down to an aphorism: "If wishes were horses,
beggars would ride."
Bob, will you not even concede the possibility that it
may not be possible to keep guns out of the hands of criminals
to any significant extent? We are living in a country which
has spent billions and billions of dollars trying to eliminate
poverty with government programs. Poverty is still with us. The
government spends money on research to cure diseases: AIDS is
not yet cured, nor is cancer or heart disease. Laws are passed
to require seat belts in cars, then - when many people choose
not to use them - laws are passed requiring people to wear seat
belts. Yet, tens of thousands of people die every year in car
accidents because they aren't wearing seat belts.
We could, of course, pass a law that every car have a video camera
in it, transmitting to roadside police receivers, to ensure that
every one wears their seat belt. And we can have elite seat-belt
police and elite seat-belt courts, who do nothing but enforce
this law.
But at what cost? Some lives would be saved, certainly, but privacy
would be lost in cars, the quality of life reduced thereby, and
the death rate would be unchanged: one person, one death - sooner
or later.
Your suggestion that requiring a reference from a neighbor, before
you're allowed to buy a gun, would have changed the outcome in
Tampa, Florida, is such a suggestion. Suppose you
ride a motorcycle and have long hair, and your next- door neighbor
is a Jehovah's Witness. Do you think they're going to give you
a good reference? Or suppose your dog uses their tree for a toilet.
Or suppose you're white, and your wife is black, and they're bigots.
The possibilities of abuse are endless.
Yet, you are so dubious that an armed citizen in that Tampa cafeteria
would have been able to stop the gun attack that this tyranny-by-the-next-door-neighbor
seems preferable to you.
Obviously I believe otherwise. I've written two Op-Ed pieces for
the LA Times about individuals in restaurants who were
able to put up an effective defense because they
were armed - and I also believe Kleck's estimates
about the high number of gun defenses. But my point
is, I think society has less to fear from the occasional armed
psycho than it does from giving next-door neighbors the ability
to veto each other's rights. That violates the principle of liberty
- the law of equal liberty - as I defined it earlier in this
message. And I believe such violations corrupt and destroy the
social bonds which make peaceful and productive coexistence possible.
Neil
Thu Feb 04, 1993 at 07:29 EST:
Bob,
You say it's immoral to kill other human beings unless such killing
saves innocent lives.
If your definition of "saving innocent lives" concedes
that other criminal activities such as robbery, rape, burglary,
and mayhem threaten innocent lives - and that it is therefore
rightful to use lethal force against someone doing these - then
I agree with this. Otherwise, I'd need a more detailed list of
justifications and excuses for the use of lethal
force.
You also say it's proper for society to regulate human conduct
so as to effectuate saving innocent lives.
If by "regulate" you mean pass laws which impose sanctions
on people who kill other human beings other than to save innocent
lives as discussed above, then I agree. If you mean restricting
the freedom of people who have not killed other people,
or otherwise threaten them with theft, injury, or other invasion,
then I don't agree that it's proper. That would contradict your
first premise by failing to make a clear distinction between
"innocent" and "not innocent" and treats the
innocent the same as the guilty; and without such a distinction
between innocent and guilty, your first premise which relies
on such a distinction logically self-destructs on its own internal
contradiction.
Neil
Sun Feb 07, 1993 at 19:30 EST:
Bob,
There is a moral argument to be made here as well as a tactical
argument. If you are arguing that a store owner who risks his
life attempting to kill an armed robber is morally inferior to
the store owner who allows the robber to take the cash box (which
"isn't worth dying for"), then you must be an Ayn Rand
Objectivist. Only the Objectivist's belief that sacrificing
yourself for others is evil could find fault with a hero
who risks his life to rid his neighbors of a clear-and-present
danger to their lives.
By being armed, a robber is threatening to take a life if you
don't give him what he wants. His claim of being armed, and the
demand for any sort of compliance under threat of force, justifies
use of lethal force to prevail against his threat. There is no
situation, short of the armed robber's throwing down his weapons,
and offering unquestionable and unconditional surrender - where
it is not acceptable to use lethal force against him.
What is also hard for me to understand is why you would consider
for a split second that a kidnaper who has just come in, after
you have untied and armed yourself, deserves to live any longer
than it takes for you to pull the trigger.
As a moral proposition, those who use lethal force to deprive
others of their lives, liberty, and property have given up their
right to life. Whether or not you ask for their surrender is entirely
a tactical question, not a moral one. Does the kidnaper have information
- perhaps about other hostages - which you need? Will confederates
execute other hostages if they hear gunshots?
Bob, this is why it's important that you not base your moral arguments
on the mistranslation "Thou shalt not kill." That mistranslation
of the original Hebrew "You shall not murder" leads
to moral imbecility.
***
Bob, in our constitutional system, government
has not a single right which is not delegated to it by sovereign
individuals. Moreover, the calculus that government may regulate
a thing because that thing is used more for immoral purposes than
moral purposes legitimizes totalitarian tyranny.
Are there more Danielle Steele soft-core porn books sold than
C.S. Lewis's Christian apologetics? The government may then regulate
what books may be sold, and which ones you may buy.
Do high-fat foods promote heart disease more than they provide
nutrition? The government may then limit you to buying no more
than one package of hot dogs per month.2
Can any justification be found for allowing alcoholic beverages
to be legally sold, when alcohol demonstrably has more negative
impact on society - and promotes more immoral behavior - than
any other single factor in society?
Obviously not. And it was tried. The law met with massive non-compliance,
and gave birth to organized crime in America for the first
time - organized crime which found other commodities to switch
to when Prohibition was repealed, so as to remain
in business even today.
The principle and legal precedent that is applied today to the
dangers of firearms will be some fanatic's legal argument
tomorrow for fatty foods and books.
That is why an attack on the Second Amendment
is an attack on the rest of the Bill of Rights.
You can't isolate this single issue from the rest of society.
People argue by analogy in order to arrive at principles which
may be applied to other problems.
Bob, there's no such thing as a principle or conclusion that applies
specifically to firearms that does not equally apply
to other objects, defined by use, operation, and purpose.
If your conclusions are generally indefensible, then your conclusions
about guns are specifically indefensible, and demonstrating
this to you - if you are intellectually honest - must lead to
you abandon any argument that does not stand up to the criticisms
of fact, logic, and principle.
You can either be consistent to a set of correctly formulated,
and reality-checked, principles, or you can slide into contradiction,
absurdity, and hypocrisy.
Those are the only alternatives reality allows us.
You say it will be a lot easier to limit gun smuggling than drug
smuggling. I find this belief naive. Just what is going to
make these forces more incorruptible than other police forces,
which are corrupted all the time? Entire narcotics squads in New
York City have been discovered to be on the take from drug dealers,
and police property rooms used as a storefront. Do you think that
putting on a badge and swearing an oath relieves a person of being
human? Your elite gun police will have power, and not only do
we all know Lord Acton's dictum that power tends to corrupt, but
if - in fact - the elite gun police are the only thing standing
in the way of a criminal getting a gun, the elite gun police will
be offered bribes seductive enough to corrupt a monk.
As for your contention that gun smuggling will be easier to limit
than drug smuggling, this is an unproved assumption which on the
face of it is absurd. Don Kates's article "Points
of Comparison Between Banning the Handgun and Prohibition
of Liquor" provides an effective rebuttal. Further, I don't
believe you could find any law enforcement officer who
would take your contention seriously.
Bob, are you saying that if someone is attacking my sister and
I shoot the attacker to incapacitate him and stop the attack,
without firing a warning shot first, then I am acting
immorally?
If you believe this, then you don't understand the first
thing about how firearms are supposed to be used defensively.
I do not know of a single instructor of combat handgunning
- in law enforcement or outside it - who teaches shooting to warn,
or to wound, as opposed to shooting at the center of body mass
to incapacitate.
I would not draw a firearm unless I believed it was a life-or-death
case. But in my police reserve training I learned that an attacker
armed only with fists - much less a broken bottle, a chair,
or a knife - can represent a lethal threat. A below-the-belt punch
can kill. A blow to the head can kill. Further, lethal force is
justified if a reasonable person can conclude that a successful
attack could cause bodily mayhem, such as injury to a vital organ,
or permanent damage such as being blinded.
Neil
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